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Only thing I'm worried about on this buy out is it might turn into what TenPoint did with the Hortong line, purchase the name only and leave the Horton owners high and dry concerning any problem they might have. Hopefully I'll be wrong. Would hate to see customer service gone.
btw my dad has an Excalibur that's about 10 years old. He usually dry fired it a couple times a season by forgetting to put an arrow in to "empty" it at the end of the day (I know you can let them down with the cocking rope but he had problems doing that).

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I always had the 175 lb. and before that the 150 lb. bows so I always cocked and uncocked by hand. I had to learn to use the rope cocker when I got the 380. I was nervous as hell the first time I tried it but now find it easier than cocking it. I read on the excal fourm about a guy that hung the rope cocker around his neck when shooting his bow and like Bruce said, almost took his head off. But , I noticed in the video that Excal gives you, Bill T. hung his around his neck.
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I found a used excalibur equinox in the local classifieds around home, but I think he wants too much for it. On another note, I can't believe all the chatter about splintered limbs, dry fires, etc with crossbows. I'm seriously shocked, no joke. Is it the higher poundage that's the culprit? Or just inferior laminated limbs being used? I'm used to shooting a Hoyt compound bow for the last 20 years with Zero limb problems and Zero fear of my archery equipment blowing up on me.
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I found a used excalibur equinox in the local classifieds around home, but I think he wants too much for it. On another note, I can't believe all the chatter about splintered limbs, dry fires, etc with crossbows. I'm seriously shocked, no joke. Is it the higher poundage that's the culprit? Or just inferior laminated limbs being used? I'm used to shooting a Hoyt compound bow for the last 20 years with Zero limb problems and Zero fear of my archery equipment blowing up on me.


Yea, it is a issue with crossbows. I'm betting you never fired your compounds with out a arrow on em. It's much easy to do with a crossbow and all that energy in a short limb / short power stroke has to go somewhere.
You can be shooting with a buddy, cock it yackin away an just miss loading a arrow. Wife did it last fall while we were target shooing, hers has a adf so it didn't go off but I had to get the book out to figure out how to release it.
 I shoot a lot using the same method every time. I shoot better that way, no dry fires now days....
Most Equinox's should be around $500 give or take, depending on what accessories it has, The price / market really fell on them after the Matrix's came out. I've been seeing some Axiom's an Ibex's for around $400 more or less, they will take anything you want to hunt, a 150 lb Vixen took Ontario's Record Moose!

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X2 with Bruce.
Paul, it's not like shooting the compound where you actually notice not seeing an arrow as it comes to your mouth. The bows from years ago didn't store the kinetic energy the componuds do today. I knew several guys dry firing years ago with no ill effects. Unfortunately the need for speed is now giving way to shorter ATA's, BH's, people shooting min. weight arrows (some below 5:1) and this al. As Bruce said now put that higher poundage with shorter ATA and usually BH almost the same and that's tremendous force behind them. The recurve limbed crossbows I feel (think Bruce agrees, that's why he jokes with me so much) give less of a "shock" when shot so stress is evened out more over the limbs. Coumpound crossbows tend to bend the cams when dry fired just like the regular bows now a days do. If the string happens to roll out of the groove then it usually gets jammed in the inside of the cam and that just isn't something any bow likes.
We're not trying to be bashing any type of bow, just saying some require a bit more caution or expertise when using them. With that little bit of common sense they are fun and productive to use.

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Yep, I agree with Jon, it's just a whole different method of shooting. Kinda like muzzle loader guys forgetting to put a ball in or leaving a ramrod in the bore.
I have a 175 lb Maxi-point crossbow also, was made between 01-04, has no limb problems at all, wife has a Parker Thunderhawk that shes had two years with out a problem, although it need to go to the shop for a new string, center serving it wearing, might get it reserved.

I'd pack my Excal up an go anywhere an hunt anything today without a second thought, it's extremely reliable. I have half a dozen custom strings for it I bought and traded from the string guys on Excal's forum. Just trying different materials an strand counts an colors. The tri-colored string it's wearnin now has several hundred shots on it an looks new. It's the claws on the trigger that will wear the serving down.
Most of the strings for Excal's creep and stretch some as the string makers wax works it's way out an the strand's settle, so the brace height changes slightly. All you have to do is put the string changer thingie on an twist one loop of the string a turn or so to tighten it back up or loosen for a lower brace height. It's not something you need to do very often. But again some guys will tweak the Brace height until they are happy, they have 1 1/4" adjustment. One way, more speed / more shock, other gives little less fps smoother shot.

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Right Bruce. On the compound ones at least they recomend changing the string every year and cables every two. On that not just personally I'd stay away from steel cabled ones. Only one I ever "shot" I was sighting in (we put them together and sight everyone in for 20 yards and when the individual buys it just fine tune to them) and first time drawing it is when I "shot" it. Cable swedge came apart so that made me leary. Bruce, the Excaliburs have 2 lines etched into the rail don't they for optimum performance and showing when a string should really be changed due to age and can also be used as a reference for adjustments?
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Yep, Excals have two marks for a high an low brace height. Most newer models with the string stoppers, (S5's) it's recommend about 2 string width's off the stoppers and your good. The S5's will set the string in the middle of the two marks.

I have a different string stopper version that are adjustable, mines set at the lowest brace mark. 
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Liking the idea of the lighter poundage. Thanks for all the feedback so far. Anyone have any experience with lineup from Middleton crossbows?


No experience with Middleton, they are a Excalibur clone mostly. At one time there was a lawsuit filed by excal against Middleton over patent infringement, bout all I know about em. Don't know who won or loss...

My wife shoots a Parker ThunderHawk @ 160 lbs, don't let the draw weight bother you, it's the Power Stroke or draw length that'll bother you. Her's is 10.75", my exocet 200 is 15.5", I've shorten my rope cocker so I can put one hook on the string an pull the string up to the other hook, it's around 13" pull for me. The wingspan on my excal is quite a bit wider, something else to keep in mind.

As for warranty, Parker offers the original owner a lifetime warranty, Excalibur offers lifetime on the bow, not the owner  [biggrin]   I'm the 2nd owner of mine and they still replaced my limbs.
Excals have no serial numbers on em  [thumb]   [thumb]

Almost forgot, if your looking for a high end recurve, check out Kodabow. If I could figure out how to get one past my wife, I'd have one!

http://kodabow.com



Thanks for the link for kodabow. I'm reading up on them now. Sounds interesting and made in the USA.

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X2 with Bruce.
Paul, it's not like shooting the compound where you actually notice not seeing an arrow as it comes to your mouth. The bows from years ago didn't store the kinetic energy the componuds do today. I knew several guys dry firing years ago with no ill effects. Unfortunately the need for speed is now giving way to shorter ATA's, BH's, people shooting min. weight arrows (some below 5:1) and this al. As Bruce said now put that higher poundage with shorter ATA and usually BH almost the same and that's tremendous force behind them. The recurve limbed crossbows I feel (think Bruce agrees, that's why he jokes with me so much) give less of a "shock" when shot so stress is evened out more over the limbs. Coumpound crossbows tend to bend the cams when dry fired just like the regular bows now a days do. If the string happens to roll out of the groove then it usually gets jammed in the inside of the cam and that just isn't something any bow likes.
We're not trying to be bashing any type of bow, just saying some require a bit more caution or expertise when using them. With that little bit of common sense they are fun and productive to use.


Definitely understand what you guys are talking about. It's not apples to apples so it was a bit unfair to xbows for me to compare my experiences with a compound bow. I enjoy the shooting sports no matter what the weapon may be! Looking forward to expanding into xbows, hopefully sooner than later. Thanks again for sharing your experiences, both good and bad.

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Kodabow's are built here in Pa. They are using the AR styling that is super cool. I've never heard a bad thing about em.

From Don Katsumi, aka Boo, master string builder:  In recurves Excalibur and Kodabow are kings! Both have different qualities that make them better for certain people. 
Kodabows are lower in noise and recoil. They are extremely accurate but best of all the parts go together like an ultra precision puzzle! I have never seen such precision in a crossbow! They are best served for those who want a recurve but need an auto safety and an anti dry fire mechanism.
Excaliburs are a perfect example of simplicity resulting in reliability and durability. There is no extra anything to go wrong. No cables, no wheels, no anti dry fire, no auto safety means there is several things that cannot go wrong because an Excalibur doesn't have them.
If you are shopping for a bow look at these bows first. If you want speed buy a Scorpyd. I would compare my favorite recurve crossbows by saying that the Kodabow is like a sniper rifle and the Excalibur is like a fine 20 gauge upland bird gun. The Excalibur just feels right when you shoulder it and the Kodabow feels like it's begging for a Harris bipod!

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X2 with Bruce.
Paul, it's not like shooting the compound where you actually notice not seeing an arrow as it comes to your mouth. The bows from years ago didn't store the kinetic energy the componuds do today. I knew several guys dry firing years ago with no ill effects. Unfortunately the need for speed is now giving way to shorter ATA's, BH's, people shooting min. weight arrows (some below 5:1) and this al. As Bruce said now put that higher poundage with shorter ATA and usually BH almost the same and that's tremendous force behind them. The recurve limbed crossbows I feel (think Bruce agrees, that's why he jokes with me so much) give less of a "shock" when shot so stress is evened out more over the limbs. Coumpound crossbows tend to bend the cams when dry fired just like the regular bows now a days do. If the string happens to roll out of the groove then it usually gets jammed in the inside of the cam and that just isn't something any bow likes.
We're not trying to be bashing any type of bow, just saying some require a bit more caution or expertise when using them. With that little bit of common sense they are fun and productive to use.
Definitely understand what you guys are talking about. It's not apples to apples so it was a bit unfair to xbows for me to compare my experiences with a compound bow. I enjoy the shooting sports no matter what the weapon may be! Looking forward to expanding into xbows, hopefully sooner than later. Thanks again for sharing your experiences, both good and bad.



I'm with you there, I enjoy shooting any weapon an have the luxury of being able to shoot in my own back yard. Only ever had one problem when a guy visiting a neighbor didn't like hearing a AK chattering  [biggrin]  [biggrin]  or just maybe it was the .500 S&W mag that set him off..... Idiot!
Yep, I shot vertical bows for 40 yrs, crossbows are whole different beast, the noise was what surprised me, took me quite awhile to adjust an decide that as long as I caught critters unaware like I did with compounds, I'd be fine.  
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My only complaint about my exocet it the trigger, it sucks! Has a lot of creep before it tighten's up an releases, to the point I put the safety on an remove the creep before shooting it, then it's not bad. I have shot a few of the Excal thumb hole stock models and they don't seem to have that problem, they are decent. Excal is suppose to be releasing a new add on trigger this year.
My wifes Parker has a nice trigger, no creep about 3.5 - 4 lb pull, breaks clean.

I do have a couple of options I'm looking at this year, Triggertech.com is selling after market trigger's for excals, remove it & throw back a couple of sips of amber colored liquid and take the dremmel to it an polish it  [biggrin]  what could go wrong??
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My only complaint about my exocet it the trigger, it sucks! Has a lot of creep before it tighten's up an releases, to the point I put the safety on an remove the creep before shooting it, then it's not bad. I have shot a few of the Excal thumb hole stock models and they don't seem to have that problem, they are decent. Excal is suppose to be releasing a new add on trigger this year.
My wifes Parker has a nice trigger, no creep about 3.5 - 4 lb pull, breaks clean.

I do have a couple of options I'm looking at this year, Triggertech.com is selling after market trigger's for excals, remove it & throw back a couple of sips of amber colored liquid and take the dremmel to it an polish it  [biggrin]    what could go wrong??


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One thing I have forgotten, all of the newer Excals all use the same rail, limbs and strings. The different draw weights is achieved by rail length, every 1" gains 25 lbs.
There are a even a few guys that have bought the high pounder models and cut the rails down to make em lower weights. There is a shop that will do the conversion for you. I know of one guy in Southeastern Pa that took a 200 lb Vortex and chopped it down to 100 lb draw just for bow fishing.
Using the same limbs on all of em keeps them simple, like me!

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I'm leaning towards the kodabow at the moment.  Picture credits to kodabow.com

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Doing some more reading and searching on these.  So far they look to be a sweet rig!!!!

What optics do you guys prefer on your xbow?  Open sights?  Red dot?  Single reticle?  Multiple?


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I paid 50$ more for the lighted scope on mine, what it is, is I have 4 cross hairs with circles in the middle and the middles light up if I have the light on, if the light is off I still have something to aim at, the red dots I believe if the battery is off or dead you got nothing, I can't say that I have EVER even used the lighted part, but hey its cool to have if I ever get a new battery cause you will leave the light on and it will go dead LOL
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4X32 3 stadia wire scope (they make 4 stadia wire but my package came with 3). Sight in the top pin for 20 yards (or whatever you feel comfortable with but closest distance) and theoretically the next stadia wire down is 10+ yards and so on. Mine set at 22 for the first stadia wireis 20 yards. Now I'm shooting 300 fps so mine are a touch less. 2nd is 31 and 3rd is about 39.
Personally I don't like the lighted scopes. Now Emmets is different (same as Emmet is) but the Red Dots if the battery goes dead you're screwed, just a blank scope. Know plenty of guys who forgot to turn it off when done hunting and next day... Also (again personally) I feel if you need the extra lighted sight then it is to dark to be ethically hunting as picking a spot is harder. Same goes with a compound bow for me. My sight had a lighted fiber optics when turned the light on but I'd quit hunting, even though could still see, when it was to the point that I wouldn't be able to make that ethical shot. Hear too many people say they stayed in their stand until black out as this was the time the deer moved...they'd get a shot when could see a form and wonder why they missed or wounded it.
Again my personal preference.

What the heck are you going to shoot with a bipod on? [rofl]
imo that adjustable stock is the cat's meow (haven't heard that for a while huh?) Makes it fit any size real easy. Ised it when shot my buddies bow, I'm 5'8" (I know, that's stretching it...get it...) and he's closer to 6'1" so was easy for me to shoot.

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not that it makes any difference but I have found atleast with mine, each cross hair down is really only 5 yards, seams to be a huge difference in group from pin to pin
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Kodabow's are very nice, you can change your string without a press, a big plus!

I had a Excalibur varizone scope but sold it an went with a Leupold Crossbones. They are a 2x7x33 scope. It has speed ring so you can set it to your estimated arrow speed an fine tune it. The speed ring is a vari-power ring actually. Sight it at with the crosshairs set at 20 yds, there's 4 more marks, back off to 40, 50, 60 yds and use the appropriate mark and adjust the ring until your set. Mine is dead on at 60yd. Lots of guys use Leupold shotgun or muzzle loader scopes also. 
Beware, crossbows recoil is similar to air-rifles an can destroy a low end rifle scope.




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